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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the general theme of this article about the disconnect between students and the topics being taught in schoool. I beleive part of the problem may stem from the instant gratification that is expected from kids who grew up with iPods, cable TV and microwave ovens. They don&#039;t seem to have developed the &quot;things take time&quot; approach to life and so they are quickly bored in a class that doesn&#039;t provide short term goals. Perhaps it would help to break &quot;science&quot; class into a short block on chemistry that fed into a lesson on biology which would go to a physics lesson. This change in topics would maintain the student&#039;s interest AND would lay out a path showing how the lesson builds upon what was learned last week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the general theme of this article about the disconnect between students and the topics being taught in schoool. I beleive part of the problem may stem from the instant gratification that is expected from kids who grew up with iPods, cable TV and microwave ovens. They don&#8217;t seem to have developed the &#8220;things take time&#8221; approach to life and so they are quickly bored in a class that doesn&#8217;t provide short term goals. Perhaps it would help to break &#8220;science&#8221; class into a short block on chemistry that fed into a lesson on biology which would go to a physics lesson. This change in topics would maintain the student&#8217;s interest AND would lay out a path showing how the lesson builds upon what was learned last week.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil McManus</title>
		<link>http://www.academicperspective.com/2009/11/24/the-math-disconnect-in-americas-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil McManus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the curriculum places way to much emphasis on memorization,review,and regurgitation of material. This method is very ineffective. I would fail a biology, physics, or geometry final if i took one tomorrow. The reason why we have taken algebra 3 times is because rather than learning how to think deductively, we have mostly just memorized material for tests and quizzes. Instead of having short term knowledge of specific subjects, it would be much more beneficial to actually learn how to think. Its a waste of my time to learn biology or Spanish if I won&#039;t remember anything about them two weeks after i graduate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the curriculum places way to much emphasis on memorization,review,and regurgitation of material. This method is very ineffective. I would fail a biology, physics, or geometry final if i took one tomorrow. The reason why we have taken algebra 3 times is because rather than learning how to think deductively, we have mostly just memorized material for tests and quizzes. Instead of having short term knowledge of specific subjects, it would be much more beneficial to actually learn how to think. Its a waste of my time to learn biology or Spanish if I won&#8217;t remember anything about them two weeks after i graduate.</p>
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		<title>By: chaosakita</title>
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		<dc:creator>chaosakita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. 

I always say I&#039;m &quot;pretty bad&quot; at math. No one believes it, but then, when you compare me to my parents, I look like a sore loser. Despite not having actively done math for more than two decades, they can still easily help me out with my quite advanced math homework. But where did their aptitude for math come from? Not from &quot;engaging classwork&quot;. I hardly doubt that there was any such idea in their classrooms back in China, and I still doubt that there is an idea for that today. Yet their middle school kids can still do math better than I can, and so can the kids in South Korea, Japan, and India, none of which have particularly &quot;relevant&quot; curriculums. 

If people want to become better at math, then they need to stop saying &quot;Oh, I&#039;m just naturally bad at it&quot; and study. (Although I&#039;m not such a great example of doing that myself...) Yes, the curriculum needs to be changed, but the lack of so-called relevancy is hardly the problem. 

But if these skills are so irrelevant in real life, why do we care that we do well in math tests anyways?</description>
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<p>I always say I&#8217;m &#8220;pretty bad&#8221; at math. No one believes it, but then, when you compare me to my parents, I look like a sore loser. Despite not having actively done math for more than two decades, they can still easily help me out with my quite advanced math homework. But where did their aptitude for math come from? Not from &#8220;engaging classwork&#8221;. I hardly doubt that there was any such idea in their classrooms back in China, and I still doubt that there is an idea for that today. Yet their middle school kids can still do math better than I can, and so can the kids in South Korea, Japan, and India, none of which have particularly &#8220;relevant&#8221; curriculums. </p>
<p>If people want to become better at math, then they need to stop saying &#8220;Oh, I&#8217;m just naturally bad at it&#8221; and study. (Although I&#8217;m not such a great example of doing that myself&#8230;) Yes, the curriculum needs to be changed, but the lack of so-called relevancy is hardly the problem. </p>
<p>But if these skills are so irrelevant in real life, why do we care that we do well in math tests anyways?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Donald</title>
		<link>http://www.academicperspective.com/2009/11/24/the-math-disconnect-in-americas-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-200</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bridging that disconnect through social means is the major aim of the Educate to Innovate program and hopefully the revamped in-class atmospheres it could create will engage students. However, I do believe that poor curriculum structure was a major factor in alienating kids from the subject, along with media influence and other reasons. These combined to create a generational apathy towards math and your point is very valid - why blame teachers? 

I didn&#039;t set out to blame teachers at all; they do not have control over the curriculum and have to do their best to engage and create a successful learning atmosphere in a situation plagued with obstacles.

 My viewpoint stems from the fact that I used to be a very engaged math student and as I progressed through school, I was not met with a curriculum that kept me actively involved and looking forward learning more of  the subject. 

Project-oriented math related to tangible life situations would have been a great experience for me. Kids always ask, &quot;When am I ever going to use this?&quot; Structuring lessons in a way that emphasizes their applicability to real life situations is an excellent idea and I&#039;m sure I would have a completely different opinion if I was exposed to a such a curriculum. 

Thank you for your comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bridging that disconnect through social means is the major aim of the Educate to Innovate program and hopefully the revamped in-class atmospheres it could create will engage students. However, I do believe that poor curriculum structure was a major factor in alienating kids from the subject, along with media influence and other reasons. These combined to create a generational apathy towards math and your point is very valid &#8211; why blame teachers? </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t set out to blame teachers at all; they do not have control over the curriculum and have to do their best to engage and create a successful learning atmosphere in a situation plagued with obstacles.</p>
<p> My viewpoint stems from the fact that I used to be a very engaged math student and as I progressed through school, I was not met with a curriculum that kept me actively involved and looking forward learning more of  the subject. </p>
<p>Project-oriented math related to tangible life situations would have been a great experience for me. Kids always ask, &#8220;When am I ever going to use this?&#8221; Structuring lessons in a way that emphasizes their applicability to real life situations is an excellent idea and I&#8217;m sure I would have a completely different opinion if I was exposed to a such a curriculum. </p>
<p>Thank you for your comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>National math test scores continue to be disappointing.  This poor trend persists in spite of new texts, standardized tests with attached implied threats, or laptops in the class.  At some point, maybe we should admit that math, as it is taught currently and in the recent past, seems irrelevant to a large percentage of grade school kids.

Why blame a sixth grade student or teacher trapped by meaningless lessons?  Teachers are frustrated.  Students check out.

The missing element is reality.  Instead of insisting that students learn another sixteen formulae, we need to involve them in tangible life projects.  And the task must be interesting.

Project-oriented math engages kids.  It is fun.  They have a reason to learn the math they may have ignored in the standard lecture format of a class room.

Alan Cook
info@thenumberyard.com
www.thenumberyard.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>National math test scores continue to be disappointing.  This poor trend persists in spite of new texts, standardized tests with attached implied threats, or laptops in the class.  At some point, maybe we should admit that math, as it is taught currently and in the recent past, seems irrelevant to a large percentage of grade school kids.</p>
<p>Why blame a sixth grade student or teacher trapped by meaningless lessons?  Teachers are frustrated.  Students check out.</p>
<p>The missing element is reality.  Instead of insisting that students learn another sixteen formulae, we need to involve them in tangible life projects.  And the task must be interesting.</p>
<p>Project-oriented math engages kids.  It is fun.  They have a reason to learn the math they may have ignored in the standard lecture format of a class room.</p>
<p>Alan Cook<br />
<a href="mailto:info@thenumberyard.com">info@thenumberyard.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.thenumberyard.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenumberyard.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To your point Sadie, I do agree but I think that the consistently low test scores for American math students evidence that the current curriculum is no longer sufficient to &quot;get the job done&quot; with respect to a global standard. Now it depends on whether or not the people with the power to change it want to push the United States out of this substandard level of performance, but for them,  that might just be too much work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To your point Sadie, I do agree but I think that the consistently low test scores for American math students evidence that the current curriculum is no longer sufficient to &#8220;get the job done&#8221; with respect to a global standard. Now it depends on whether or not the people with the power to change it want to push the United States out of this substandard level of performance, but for them,  that might just be too much work.</p>
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		<title>By: William Nzioka</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Nzioka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Très bien fait Ben. Bravo!  
I can so relate to this topic. There is such a disconnect between me and maths that I&#039;ve developed an attitude that actually costs me points in that class.

Everybody needs a scapegoat, and I don&#039;t want to be &quot;that guy,&quot; always complaining but so far, my math experience with teachers has been unsatisfactory at best. It began in 8th grade, when my teacher left for maternity leave right about this time of year. Till the end of the school year, substitutes came in and out, characters with interesting stories at best. In fact one of them even tried to teach us physics, much to our amusement. My Algebra II teacher was sacked for not keeping with the school&#039;s standards apparently. And this year, I don&#039;t even want to talk about it.
My lack of motivation had me taking the other kind of &quot;enrichment&quot; in my early middle-school years.
Concepts I get,though motivation I certainly lack. Don&#039;t get me wrong (math is relatively easy), but the lack of continuity, and unnecessary redundancy as pointed out by Justin so greatly contributes to the aforesaid disconnect that it&#039;s hard to fathom. No longer do I crave the satisfaction that comes with problem solving. It&#039;s led to my distaste of the subject, maths  being replaced by Histories and other humanities.

I even doubled up a year ago with the hope that I could achieve something. Besides the boost to where I should be, nothing much came out of that other than a teacher whose college-outlook so invades the class atmosphere that personal responsibility is left to the student...entirely

In a scientifically-leaning world, it would (and it is) prove and seem indispensable a serious interest in aspects of the field, the money-making potential irresistible (esp. in this economy.) 
My mom&#039;s professional advice (she&#039;s a Human Resource person), conflicts with mine: she tells me to &quot;keep going&quot; insofar as maths is concerned. Every time I hear that I shake my head and go back to doing my U.S./Euro outlines or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Très bien fait Ben. Bravo!<br />
I can so relate to this topic. There is such a disconnect between me and maths that I&#8217;ve developed an attitude that actually costs me points in that class.</p>
<p>Everybody needs a scapegoat, and I don&#8217;t want to be &#8220;that guy,&#8221; always complaining but so far, my math experience with teachers has been unsatisfactory at best. It began in 8th grade, when my teacher left for maternity leave right about this time of year. Till the end of the school year, substitutes came in and out, characters with interesting stories at best. In fact one of them even tried to teach us physics, much to our amusement. My Algebra II teacher was sacked for not keeping with the school&#8217;s standards apparently. And this year, I don&#8217;t even want to talk about it.<br />
My lack of motivation had me taking the other kind of &#8220;enrichment&#8221; in my early middle-school years.<br />
Concepts I get,though motivation I certainly lack. Don&#8217;t get me wrong (math is relatively easy), but the lack of continuity, and unnecessary redundancy as pointed out by Justin so greatly contributes to the aforesaid disconnect that it&#8217;s hard to fathom. No longer do I crave the satisfaction that comes with problem solving. It&#8217;s led to my distaste of the subject, maths  being replaced by Histories and other humanities.</p>
<p>I even doubled up a year ago with the hope that I could achieve something. Besides the boost to where I should be, nothing much came out of that other than a teacher whose college-outlook so invades the class atmosphere that personal responsibility is left to the student&#8230;entirely</p>
<p>In a scientifically-leaning world, it would (and it is) prove and seem indispensable a serious interest in aspects of the field, the money-making potential irresistible (esp. in this economy.)<br />
My mom&#8217;s professional advice (she&#8217;s a Human Resource person), conflicts with mine: she tells me to &#8220;keep going&#8221; insofar as maths is concerned. Every time I hear that I shake my head and go back to doing my U.S./Euro outlines or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sadie Rothenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sadie Rothenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely agree. But I doubt that the curriculum will ever change drastically, mainly because the current one has &quot;basically gotten the job done&quot; for so long. 
But if math classes were ever changed to have more continuity, it would be awfully nice, and certainly beneficial to students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely agree. But I doubt that the curriculum will ever change drastically, mainly because the current one has &#8220;basically gotten the job done&#8221; for so long.<br />
But if math classes were ever changed to have more continuity, it would be awfully nice, and certainly beneficial to students.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Block</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Block</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. Mr. Maurtizen, my 8th grade pre-algebra teacher was great. In that class we covered so much material compared to other schools. My SAT tutor is a high school math teacher and she was stunned by the amount I learned in 8th grade. But it seems like 9th grade Algebra 1 was practically the same content, and thus far in Algebra 2 most of the content is the same. I don&#039;t know why honors Algebra courses need to be virtually repeated 3 times. Granted, the reinforcement of key algebra concepts with added difficulty takes place, and is important, but at a point it&#039;s redundant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Mr. Maurtizen, my 8th grade pre-algebra teacher was great. In that class we covered so much material compared to other schools. My SAT tutor is a high school math teacher and she was stunned by the amount I learned in 8th grade. But it seems like 9th grade Algebra 1 was practically the same content, and thus far in Algebra 2 most of the content is the same. I don&#8217;t know why honors Algebra courses need to be virtually repeated 3 times. Granted, the reinforcement of key algebra concepts with added difficulty takes place, and is important, but at a point it&#8217;s redundant.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To readers: 

What is your opinion? Do you feel disconnected in math or science particularly or in other subjects as well and why? Please post your thoughts.</description>
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<p>What is your opinion? Do you feel disconnected in math or science particularly or in other subjects as well and why? Please post your thoughts.</p>
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